tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4449496992703459974.post7136862283357393192..comments2024-01-14T01:30:48.192-05:00Comments on A Way of Happening: Thoughts on Value in ArtAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13160678359629113426noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4449496992703459974.post-58317714031399207492016-09-15T01:44:18.169-04:002016-09-15T01:44:18.169-04:00I loved the way you discuss the topic great work t...I loved the way you discuss the topic great work thanks for the share Your informative post.<br /><a href="http://expert-valuations.com/" rel="nofollow">art valuation</a><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4449496992703459974.post-17366741617626577002014-02-26T23:45:06.963-05:002014-02-26T23:45:06.963-05:00Thank you for your comments, Catherine. Is any of ...Thank you for your comments, Catherine. Is any of your artwork accessible online? -LAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13160678359629113426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4449496992703459974.post-48960294023001033472014-01-15T22:48:14.788-05:002014-01-15T22:48:14.788-05:00I got a lot out of this thread. Thank you very mu...I got a lot out of this thread. Thank you very much. Years ago I moderated a panel discussion in New York titled "The Dichotomy Between Form and Content" with the panelists Roberta Smith, Ken Johnson, John Yao, Richard Tuttle and Thomas Nozkowski. We were ferreting out questions and answers about this very issue. The panel lasted two hours and I'm not sure we came to any conclusions. It's a fascinating issue. <br />At the time, as young artist coming from a conservative training, I was frustrated with the necessity of critique and background info in order to get anything out of an artwork. I thought the form and content must fuse together in a powerful way, that this was the very GOAL of the artist. And (exactly as you say) any extra reading should not be necessary in order to get a lot out of experiencing the art. <br />I realize today, reading this thread, that I am still very much engaged with this issue---that it is the actual subject matter of my recent work. <br />You raise a few other important considerations having to do with materiality and craftsmanship. These are important, especially in a technological and disposable world…but now I am revealing my aesthetics, my politics, AND my philosophy..!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09594923905887047949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4449496992703459974.post-25384730503962531252011-01-25T16:11:12.465-05:002011-01-25T16:11:12.465-05:00@Max: I wonder if enough people agree about art in...@Max: I wonder if enough people agree about art in order to maintain any coherent kind of intersubjective aesthetic community! I ask this half in jest, but half in earnest as well. I rarely encounter people who agree with my views on art, and I rarely encounter others whose views I agree with...so where is my community?<br />And by the way, I have no problem whatsoever calling Britney Spears' music art. Remember, my view is that "art" is not a statment of value (though art is the subject of valuation), but the term is a statement of PROCESS. Something can be art without being VALUABLE (or "good") art -- and as you probably guessed, Britney Spears' music is rather low on the spectrum of value for me!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13160678359629113426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4449496992703459974.post-8644569770921759772011-01-24T11:47:26.835-05:002011-01-24T11:47:26.835-05:00Be careful about a few things:
First, as I mentio...Be careful about a few things:<br /><br />First, as I mentioned elsewhere, you are not limning truth but creating rules for your aesthetic community.<br /><br />Second, how big your club is does not art make either. This aesthetic utilitarianism could quickly take you in a direction you don't likely want to go in -- like calling Britney Spears art.<br /><br />Third, while white canvases may seem like pretentious pap, if they inspired a conversation about shadow, the fact that the canvas delimited a space that turned our conversation about light play on nearby walls -- that is meaningful to some communities, not to others. <br /><br />Finally, come communities will welcome mediated and dialogic artforms that include conversation, social change and other epiphenomena of the art. Other communities prefer unmediated art experiences that include attempts to discover the intent of the artist. That's okay.<br /><br />In short, different communities, different rules. Pluralism happens.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17540886059127793423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4449496992703459974.post-73857062226120500652010-08-07T13:14:01.084-04:002010-08-07T13:14:01.084-04:00@Laura (aka, Mother Dearest): That is possible, an...@Laura (aka, Mother Dearest): That is possible, and, in fact, I think the term "statement" includes that possibility. I think perhaps I should have included "philosophy" along with what I'm calling "politics."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13160678359629113426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4449496992703459974.post-21524507170090608752010-08-07T12:47:23.059-04:002010-08-07T12:47:23.059-04:00Rather than calling Cage's and others' wor...Rather than calling Cage's and others' works statements, maybe they are more than that. Maybe they fall under the category of philosophy.Laura Randnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4449496992703459974.post-78646814034060598262010-08-06T15:43:52.034-04:002010-08-06T15:43:52.034-04:00@Sharon: Yes, I very much believe that photography...@Sharon: Yes, I very much believe that photography is an art form. Photographers take deliberate and often exacting steps, and their selection of subjects and techniques in capturing images, in addition to any techniques they might use for developing the film, all have tangible effects on the finished work. I highly recommend John Berger's essay on photography as an art form, "Appearances."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13160678359629113426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4449496992703459974.post-73280607784095821632010-08-06T13:37:16.627-04:002010-08-06T13:37:16.627-04:00I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on whethe...I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on whether photography can be considered art. I've had an ongoing conversation with an art professor about this--he maintains that photography is NEVER art, because there is no creation involved. But to lump all photography together, in my opinion, is like saying that a newspaper article and a poem are the same thing. Certainly, a yearbook photographer is not an artist--but when a photographer takes into consideration texture, light, and perspective, is he not "creating" a way of looking at a familiar object in a way that is similar to, for example, Monet's Haystacks? Is it fair to say that because a photographer is merely representing a real object, there is no creativity or artistry involved?Sharon Jehlennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4449496992703459974.post-75415501956761624782010-08-06T13:33:57.369-04:002010-08-06T13:33:57.369-04:00@Daniel: I see your point. I do, however, think th...@Daniel: I see your point. I do, however, think that a category can serve a function that is useful for critical perspective. I happen to think that "art" is one such category, and that it's not a heinous crime to exclude certain things from that category. I understand, however, that many people these days would not be willing to make that kind of distinction.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13160678359629113426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4449496992703459974.post-20744982690275678532010-08-06T11:32:48.224-04:002010-08-06T11:32:48.224-04:00I would be hesitant to declare anything "not ...I would be hesitant to declare anything "not art", although I do understand, and partially sympathize with, the argument here. (I fully sympathize with the frustrations that underlie it.) The categorical question presents so many traps tho. It might be more productive to say, "This might be art, but if so then it is entirely uninteresting and un-engaging to me as art." Then you can explain why you think this or that work, text, or object fails. All these points still hold, I think — one just avoids the complications of the category argumetn.Daniel Pritchardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02171613044501024248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4449496992703459974.post-77856393817116805222010-08-06T10:39:02.172-04:002010-08-06T10:39:02.172-04:00Very interesting, Luke.I like it. And I like hear...Very interesting, Luke.I like it. And I like hearing what you are thinking about. Miss seeing you.mamajoy007noreply@blogger.com